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    Default GTX 460 can't decide which one

    I'm currently looking to purchase a GTX 460 1GB DDR5 but still can't decide whether to go MSI, Gigabyte, EVGA or Asus. Asus and EVGA are quite expensive compared to MSI and Gigabyte and also have the reference specifications. I've read many pages but still no card has the so called "je ne sais quoi".
    I'd like to read from owners how pleased or not are with their models.
    Right now I have a GTX 260 from Asus+P5Q Deluxe motherboard and SolyTech SL-8600EPS 600W PSU.
    Thank you for your time and possible responses.

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    Default Re: GTX 460 can't decide which one

    Personally Darkseed, I'd go EVGA, Lifetime Warr. All i buy is from EVGA on Video Cards. So in longrun i'd pay the few extra $'s

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    Default Re: GTX 460 can't decide which one

    The EVGA card is very nice indeed, and because it's a reference design is ideal if you're planning on going water cooling in the future and also for getting hold of working modded BIOS's for extra overclockability, removal of the 1.084V Vcore limit etc. The external exhaust is a bonus as the hot air gets ejected from the case rather than being carried through it via convection and heating up the surrounding air inside.

    However, the EE version is rather noisy at anything above 60% compared to other cards with custom coolers. If you game with headphones on though it really doesn't matter.

    After doing a lot of research before buying mine I narrowed it down to three models, all of which don't exhaust the heat but are quieter and paradoxicaly run cooler and clock better on average. Either the ASUS DirectCU, MSI or the Gigabyte cards (1GB only, the 768MB is OK but for another 20/$40 or so get the non crippled card)IMO are the cream of the crop. My Gigabyte card is virtually silent until 70% fan speed and even at 100% sounds quite nice, just a whoosh of air rather than any fan whine. Over clocking is pretty awesome. I was limited to 850 core in my old case but in this new Coolermaster 690 with an Enermax Batwing 120mm fan over the GPU area I've JUST this second completed 10 minutes of Furmark at 880MHz and am going to try 900MHz again soon with 1.084V.

    Remember that almost all 460's will support voltage control even though the manufacturer may not mention it. Simply use MSI Afterburner and enable it then adjust as required.
    Another posative about the Gigabyte card is that it uses the same component standard as its Ultra Durable motherboards, so you get:

    a 2OZ PCB (aids cooling and gives less interferance electrically = stability when OCing),
    Low RDS ON MOSFETS (lower resistance = faster switching and faster charge/discharge)
    Ferite Core chokes rather than basic Iron core ones. This means they hold more charge for longer and prevent current bleed/loss when the power system is taxed.
    Tier 1 Sammy/Hynix VRAM. Basically the Guaranteed top 25% cherry-picked chips, meaning hopefully a higher chance to OC them. Not a guarantee but an improvement of the odds of success.

    I'm sure this is not the norm and may be a fluke but PC Format (UK PC Magazine) recently tested 6 brands of 460's for OCing and found that while the GPU of both the EVGA and MSI cards clocked well to around 830MHz on stock volts, the RAM wouldn't budge by much at all, maybe 5%. I have a real frequency increase of 200 MHz on mine which is 800MHz QDR giving a RAM speed at QDR 4400MHz rather than 3600, raising Bandwidth from 128GB/s to 140.8GB/s which really does help with enabling AA in Crysis to run smoothly and a general FPS boost. Remember though that GPU speed on this card makes more of a difference at resolutions up to 1920x1080. Ram speed makes more difference at 1920x1200 and above.

    Sorry that I've written so much, it's just that I've done so much research before I bought one that I have a head full of info and needed to let some out before my head exploded.

    PS, don't get the 768MB card unless you desperately want to save a few bucks. It doesn't sound like much but the lower ROPs count and RAM bandwidth (not so much the RAM amount) really make the difference between the card being slower than a 5850 (768MB) or beating it soundly even at stock (1GB version).
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    Default Re: GTX 460 can't decide which one

    Thank you for the replies!
    I got the MSI 1GB and I'm pleased that is shorter, cooler and quieter than my previous Asus GTX 260. So far I've run into the following issues: Folding@home isn't working anymore (normal+cmd line clients) even after re-downloading the core files and re-installing. In Mafia II Demo I get lower fps on same settings and drivers compared to my GTX 260.
    I will reinstall the drivers and even try the new PhysX. Will post back the results.

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    That's a known "issue" in Mafia 2. You need the latest PhysX to sort it out. It's the one with the last three digits of the version number ending 513. The 460 should be significantly faster in everything. Note that as it's DX 11 compatable, some newer games that use it will auto select the DX11 rendering path, meaning the game may run slower than your 260 running DX10. If this is an issue there should be a way to force DX10.

    With PhysX enabled, Mafia 2 is slow in places mainly due to the pointless use of physX on all the female pedestrian's skirts (nobody even notices them as they're "background noise" so to speak. Using the same method in this link you can make the game use cloth PhysX dfor just the main character, leaving everything else like particles in tact but removing NPC cloth. Thgis can give 20+ FPS in some cases: Mafia II Demo: tweaking PhysX performance | PhysXInfo.com - PhysX News

    Do you still have your 260? If so have you thought about using it as a PhysX PPU? You'll get a huge performance increase in Mafia 2 with PhysX on by doing that.

    EDIT** Are you using the latest official Forceware? I'm using the beta 259.32 from Guru3D, but the latest WHQL from NVidia works well too.

    Also don't forget to over clock. You can basically set the core to 800MHz and the RAM to 1000MHz (4000 QDR) all at default voltage with MSI Afterburner. You'll maybe top out at about 875 core+ with a voltage increase (up to 1.084V is perfectly safe and max GPU temps are ~105c. Hopefully you hit no more than 80c full load though in fur mark.

    One thing I recommend is that you buy some cheap aluminium heatsinks for the MOSFETS as the MSI card doesn't have them. Just the fan blowing over them isn't enough at high over clocks, and having a 460 and not OCing it is defeating its purpose as a superb tweaker's card.
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    Default Re: GTX 460 can't decide which one

    Using 258.96 + PhysX 9.10.0513. Still get image stuttering regardless the configuration I'm using. One strange thing, the MSI Afterburner reports D3D9!? And another thing with the GTX260 I've managed to get rank C while with the GTX 460 I get rank D all the time. Both cards used with the default values. I'm not OC'ing yet just to see how fast the GTX 460 is. Same settings/drivers used in every test I've made so far. Processor Intel Q9550, W7x64, Corsair 4GB DDRII@1066.
    I don't think the power supply will be able to hold both cards, Soly Tech 600W PSU.

    Finally managed to make Folding@home to crunch data using FahCore_15.
    I'm thinking to sell the GTX260 and use a 8800GT or 9800GT for PhysX that way I can use both cards (GTX460+8800GT) without changing the PSU.
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    Default Re: GTX 460 can't decide which one

    mafia 2 runs best if you set physics on medium
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    Default Re: GTX 460 can't decide which one

    Quote Originally Posted by wazza300 View Post
    mafia 2 runs best if you set physics on medium
    Please read again. Used the same settings on both cards. With the GTX 260 all went smooth while with the GTX 460 I got stuttering, again, same settings-drivers.

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    yes sorry i should have said with 5770 on medium physics it runs fine for me,with 460 being new its probably drivers,ive just uploaded a video in my youtube sig of mafia2
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    Default Re: GTX 460 can't decide which one

    Will try the beta drivers to see if there's any improvement. Anyway the card is good but too bad the heat is dissipated inside the case. I've tested Shattered Horizon (DX10 exclusive title from Futuremark) - level The Arc which is pretty GPU demanding and the fps doubled from ~25 to 50+ and that says a lot about the card.

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