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    Default Re: Upgrade parts time for me what should I buy first Video card? Memory? etc

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    Your 2.0GHz cpu speed is probably due to the energy saving bios options (EIST and C1E) set to enabled.
    With my P35 system, the cpu multiplier varies from 6.0x to 8.0x depending on the system load.
    When overclocking and stress testing, I always disable EIST and C1E. Once I've reached my o/c goal, I then enable both of these settings and repeat my stress tests to ensure that my system is still stable. Not all older systems can reach a high overclock with one or both of these settings enabled.

    Running with a single memory module means that overall memory performance will be lower than running with the same total amount of memory and two modules in dual channel mode.

    My Prime95 core temperatures are 50 - 52o (C) when the room temperature is near 18o (C) which is about 70o (F). If my room temperature rises, the cpu core temperatures rise by the same amount when doing stress tests.

    I had no problems when I installed my MSI N460GTX Hawk video card in my P35 win2k system shortly before installing win7 on a new ssd about 18 months ago. I don't know if you will have any issues if you try to install a new video card, drivers and software (Nvidia or Radeon) with winXP.

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    Your Performance Level (aka tRD or Static tRead value) = 8 isn't optimal right now, but this can be lowered later.
    I prefer to run with a slightly looser tRD when overclocking, as this needs to be increased at some point as you use higher cpu host frequency settings.
    Yes EIST and C1E were enabled at the time, now I have disabled them. This was done to help the system handle the heat issues while I leave the machine unattended in this cruel summer. I did drop the Static tRead value to 7 while I was in BIOS to check how the system handles it.

    Yes I know that about the memory thanks for reminding me, sometimes issues like that get overlooked. I have been avoiding putting any other substandard memory in like the supertalent that I have other people swear by it but, Lsdmeasap does not.

    Regarding the temperatures I may need to check the thermal grease as its been on a while in the UD3LR rig. It may even be the same stuff that came with the Mugen2 cooler. Yes our temperatures have risen over here due to the humidity and heatwave. I was also advised by Chike to put a fan blowing on the hotter components like the Northbridge or what was hot (in the DS3R while overclocking)

    Yes I know win XP has been around a long time and is getting a bit bloated with all the updates its getting.
    I do know that windows 7 professional will allow me to use the virtualization technology with this board. One new feature is windows XP mode in win 7 which requires virtualization tech. But as I said buying things will be slow for me now.

    here is the PCpitstop results with the modifications.....
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    Last edited by MadMax2911; 08-12-2012 at 05:35 AM. Reason: add info on temps
    BUILD #2 GA-EP45-DS3R [Rev1.0] BIOS Flashed F11e, CPU=INTEL Core2 Quad Q8200 Yorkfield-4M LGA 775 with Mugen2 cooler RAM= Mushkin 996599 link 2 x 2GB, Hard drive=WD 6400AAKS, DVD=HP dvd1160i OS=Win 7 SP1 64 bit Video=BFG 8800GTS OC edition CASE=Thermaltake Tsunami Dream P.S.=Antec TP3-650

    Build #3 GA-EP45-UD3LR__rev 1.0__ BIOS F11, CPU Core2 Duo E8400 3.157GHz WMugen2 Cooler, Power Supply: Antec EA-500D 500 W, RAM: Corsair 2 GB Hard Drive: WD 160 GB OS: Win XP SP3 Video: MSI GTS450 2GB




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    Default Re: Upgrade parts time for me what should I buy first Video card? Memory? etc

    One more thing I need to add in to the mix regarding this hardware is the hard drive Seagate 7200.11 could have a firmware problem. I believe my drives were involved so, at the time I did firmware updates to them. They are still running but, benchmark tests confirmed there is an annoying drop in performance after startup of the Benchmark. I will show that bench mark in this area after it finishes one run.
    Here is a link for your reading pleasure and for the audience as well.. Barracuda 7200.11 firmware- What we know... - Seagate Community Forums
    And another..... Seagate releases fixed firmware fix for Barracuda 7200.11s - The Tech Report

    Now if there is a known problem with the drives and there are performance problems (ie stuttering maybe or drops in performance) then would the problems show up during benchmarking? yes? Might those possible problems show up in other applications as well?

    I ask this question If there is a problem with my drive what can I do to get it replaced? It still works but I suspect its a intermittent problem at best. It is also not very apparent that there is a problem at all (maybe there is not problem and I am just worring too much?)

    What tests can I do to reveal the problem if there is one?

    There is more to wonder but thats all I going to say right now.

    I am using gamebooster to stop all other services temporarily while I perform the test.
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    Last edited by MadMax2911; 08-12-2012 at 01:18 AM. Reason: add info
    BUILD #2 GA-EP45-DS3R [Rev1.0] BIOS Flashed F11e, CPU=INTEL Core2 Quad Q8200 Yorkfield-4M LGA 775 with Mugen2 cooler RAM= Mushkin 996599 link 2 x 2GB, Hard drive=WD 6400AAKS, DVD=HP dvd1160i OS=Win 7 SP1 64 bit Video=BFG 8800GTS OC edition CASE=Thermaltake Tsunami Dream P.S.=Antec TP3-650

    Build #3 GA-EP45-UD3LR__rev 1.0__ BIOS F11, CPU Core2 Duo E8400 3.157GHz WMugen2 Cooler, Power Supply: Antec EA-500D 500 W, RAM: Corsair 2 GB Hard Drive: WD 160 GB OS: Win XP SP3 Video: MSI GTS450 2GB




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    Default Re: Upgrade parts time for me what should I buy first Video card? Memory? etc

    You can run other hard drive benchmarking programs such as HD Tach to double check the results.
    Most if not all hard drive manufactures offer free error checking software for their drives.
    Don't perform a low level format or any destructive hard drive tests that will wipe your hard drive data!!
    Check out S.M.A.R.T. - Wikipedia to learn about how SMART monitoring can help point to possible problems.
    Be sure to check the link to SMART HDD - Wikipedia at the beginning of the article so that you don't become a victim.

    I don't know what causes the momentary dips in the benchmark chart.
    With sata drives, bad sectors are automatically "relocated" so you won't see bad sectors reported the same way as they were with IDE hard drives.
    The best indication of a failing drive is if you notice new clicking noises or other strange sounds.

    I've had no problems with Western Digital and Samsung hard drives.
    Seagate recently bought out Samsung's hard drive operation and is now selling some Samsung branded hard drives .
    An example of this is SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 ST2000DL004 2TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s where the hard drive model name uses Seagate's format. Note that there is only a 1 year warranty for this drive. The pre-Seagate Samsung hard drives use a model name format similar to HD204UI. In my highly biased opinion, Seagate hard drives make excellent paper weights but I won't use them in any of my systems.

    I've included the benchmark results for my WD640 Caviar Black hard drive.
    I like hard drives that come with a 5 year warranty.

    Upgrade parts time for me what should I buy first Video card? Memory? etc-hdtune_wd6401aals-00e3a0-4k-p35-e6300-win7-results-png

    Last edited by profJim; 08-12-2012 at 07:55 PM. Reason: added additional benchmark screen-shots
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    Default Re: Upgrade parts time for me what should I buy first Video card? Memory? etc

    Guess I need to change my sig as I now have a MSI 450 GTS videocard. Model number N250GTS-MD2GD3 with 2 gigs of onboard RAM. I am getting things installed and testing now..... :)

    Here is a screenie of benchmarks for the Seagate 500 on my C drive (will be changed later to other system)
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    Last edited by MadMax2911; 09-16-2012 at 08:31 AM. Reason: Adding pix
    BUILD #2 GA-EP45-DS3R [Rev1.0] BIOS Flashed F11e, CPU=INTEL Core2 Quad Q8200 Yorkfield-4M LGA 775 with Mugen2 cooler RAM= Mushkin 996599 link 2 x 2GB, Hard drive=WD 6400AAKS, DVD=HP dvd1160i OS=Win 7 SP1 64 bit Video=BFG 8800GTS OC edition CASE=Thermaltake Tsunami Dream P.S.=Antec TP3-650

    Build #3 GA-EP45-UD3LR__rev 1.0__ BIOS F11, CPU Core2 Duo E8400 3.157GHz WMugen2 Cooler, Power Supply: Antec EA-500D 500 W, RAM: Corsair 2 GB Hard Drive: WD 160 GB OS: Win XP SP3 Video: MSI GTS450 2GB




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    Default Re: Upgrade parts time for me what should I buy first Video card? Memory? etc

    Holiday greetings all....
    Here is the UD3LR system with the GTS450 Videocard running Cinebench. The BIOS settings are mostly set to default except for a slight OC on the FSB to 345
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    Last edited by MadMax2911; 12-03-2012 at 11:37 AM. Reason: add info
    BUILD #2 GA-EP45-DS3R [Rev1.0] BIOS Flashed F11e, CPU=INTEL Core2 Quad Q8200 Yorkfield-4M LGA 775 with Mugen2 cooler RAM= Mushkin 996599 link 2 x 2GB, Hard drive=WD 6400AAKS, DVD=HP dvd1160i OS=Win 7 SP1 64 bit Video=BFG 8800GTS OC edition CASE=Thermaltake Tsunami Dream P.S.=Antec TP3-650

    Build #3 GA-EP45-UD3LR__rev 1.0__ BIOS F11, CPU Core2 Duo E8400 3.157GHz WMugen2 Cooler, Power Supply: Antec EA-500D 500 W, RAM: Corsair 2 GB Hard Drive: WD 160 GB OS: Win XP SP3 Video: MSI GTS450 2GB




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