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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    Sounds like they're keeping you off the streets and out of trouble.

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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    Actually, my job keeps me near road-side most of the time LOL - but what I'm trying to do is find a way to get back inside so I can find a way to get in trouble.

    After some more research, I'm not overly impressed with the skylake vs Haswell. And the Haswell being an older Tier seems to have many more options for motherboards.

    Hey Jim, if I get a mobo with SLI 2x16 pci lane capability, the Haswell can take advantage -correct? It's not that I plan on buying 2 gpu's right now, but having the option later feels somewhat of a comfort. I think I'm going to invest a little more into the mobo this time so I can have fun tweaking OCing more. Plus I find myself being picky about looks (which is a departure from my usual criteria). Having a couple extra bucks though has be comparing 'looks' as well.

    As of Friday morning I have this weekend off, so hopefully I can get an order placed on some stuff.

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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    If you read the specs in the mobo user manual for Haswell and Skylake you'll see that in both systems an SLI setup will run with x8 gen 3.0 bandwidth for both video cards. This isn't a big deal because the difference between running a single video card at x16 is at best 1% - 3% faster than running a single card at x8. It gets a bit more complicated with high end boards that use PLX switches where the board manipulates pci-e lanes for better video performance, but the down side is that this type of setup has higher video latency so it appears that this offsets some of the gains from the PLX setup. It's a much different story with a Haswell-E (X99) setup where the cpu's have 28 or 40 pci-e lanes, compared to the 16 pci-e lanes that the regular cpu's have.



    from The Intel Haswell-E CPU Review: Core i7-5960X, i7-5930K and i7-5820K Tested (August 29, 2014)


    I think that Skylake is about 5% faster than a comparable Haswell cpu and motherboard, but you will probably have fewer cpu cooling issues with Skylake.

    An important consideration is the motherboard's pci-e slot layout so that two video cards are not too close to each other. You also need to consider how many additional pci-e boards that you want to install and will they interfere with video card cooling by restricting airflow above and below each video card.

    Regularly check out the best video card review sites to see what features the newest high end cards will probably have next year. You might be better off going with a single high end card setup in a year or two instead of doing a GTX 980 SLI setup now.

    There's only so much or so little future proofing that we can do now or in the future.
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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    If you read the specs in the mobo user manual for Haswell and Skylake you'll see that in both systems an SLI setup will run with x8 gen 3.0 bandwidth for both video cards. This isn't a big deal because the difference between running a single video card at x16 is at best 1% - 3% faster than running a single card at x8. It gets a bit more complicated with high end boards that use PLX switches where the board manipulates pci-e lanes for better video performance, but the down side is that this type of setup has higher video latency so it appears that this offsets some of the gains from the PLX setup. It's a much different story with a Haswell-E (X99) setup where the cpu's have 28 or 40 pci-e lanes, compared to the 16 pci-e lanes that the regular cpu's have.

    from The Intel Haswell-E CPU Review: Core i7-5960X, i7-5930K and i7-5820K Tested (August 29, 2014)

    I think that Skylake is about 5% faster than a comparable Haswell cpu and motherboard, but you will probably have fewer cpu cooling issues with Skylake.

    An important consideration is the motherboard's pci-e slot layout so that two video cards are not too close to each other. You also need to consider how many additional pci-e boards that you want to install and will they interfere with video card cooling by restricting airflow above and below each video card.

    Regularly check out the best video card review sites to see what features the newest high end cards will probably have next year. You might be better off going with a single high end card setup in a year or two instead of doing a GTX 980 SLI setup now.

    There's only so much or so little future proofing that we can do now or in the future.
    Well so much for having the weekend off, but at least I'll earn another good 700 bucks to throw at this upgrade.

    Those 2011's look kinda nice. Probably don't necc "need" 6 cores, but I'll bet it'd be nice to have..... and all those pci lanes - wow. I'd draw the line at the 5820k I think. I think 400 is about the most I'd want to spend on the cpu. Saw a nice EVGA 2011 Mobo a couple days ago - I wonder if I can find that again. Are you still a Gigabyte guy or .... well what do you think of EVGA's stuff? I actually bought a mid level graphics card a few years back that died on me. And I just stayed away. But I know they're respected -in general.

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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    There is a guy selling an EVGA z97 Classified mobo for 200 here locally. He claims it's still in factory plastic. I'm tempted.

    It's the 1150

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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    What's the difference between

    Klevv Genuine 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2666 (PC3 21300) Memory Model KM3G8GX4Y-2666-12-13-13-35-0 - Newegg.com

    and

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820101041

    ...... from what I can see, the prices are the only difference I can see. When I look at all the details - everything looks the same. Course the spreaders look different but that can't be the reason for the huge price gap.

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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    This is what I'm looking at right now.

    I bought that EVGA Classified X97 locally here so ..... in addition to that;

    Intel Core i7-4790K
    Intel Core i7-4790K Haswell Refresh Quad-Core 4.0GHz LGA 1150 Desktop Processor BX80646I74790K - Newegg.com - Newegg.com

    CORSAIR Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB)
    CORSAIR Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2400 (PC3 19200) Desktop Memory Model CMD16GX3M2A2400C10 - Newegg.com

    CORSAIR RMx RM1000X
    CORSAIR RMx RM1000X 1000W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Power Supply - Newegg.com

    SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 500GB SATA III 3-D
    Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more - Newegg.com

    Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache
    Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more - Newegg.com

    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832588491

    Corsair Graphite Series 760T
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811139055

    Totals $1189.93

    The 2 drives were combo deal

    These are all the essentials. This list doesn't include a monitor nor the costs of the Mobo - that costed me 190 brand new still in shrink.
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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    The Corsair CMD16GX3M2A2400C10 memory kit is not listed as compatible with your EVGA motherboard and the EVGA compatibility list does not include this memory kit.
    If you install a memory kit that is not on either list the memory will probably not be stable or your motherboard might not be able to boot.
    Keep in mind that motherboard manufacturers are not able to spend the time to test all available memory kits.

    The following list is from the Corsair Memory Finder for your motherboad:
    • Vengeance® Pro Series — 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 DRAM 1866MHz C9 Memory Kit (CMY8GX3M2A1866C9A)
    • Vengeance® Pro Series — 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 DRAM 1866MHz C9 Memory Kit (CMY16GX3M2A1866C9)
    • Vengeance® — 16GB Dual Channel DDR3 Memory Kit (CMZ16GX3M2A1866C9)
    • Vengeance® Pro Series — 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 DRAM 1866MHz C9 Memory Kit (CMY16GX3M2A1866C9B)
    • Vengeance® Pro Series — 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 DRAM 1866MHz C9 Memory Kit (CMY16GX3M2A1866C9R)

    The G.Skill Ram Configurator lists several compatible 2 x 8GB memory kits for your motherboard.
    Check out near the bottom of their very long list for higher speed memory kits: G.SKILL - RAM Configurator

    The CORSAIR RMx RM1000X power supply has excellent reviews from several of the best psu review sites.
    Earlier RM power supplies were not highly rated but it looks like the upgraded RM1000X models are are very good.

    The link you provide is for Klevv Genuine 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2666 and sells for $647.99.
    The Klevv Genuine 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2666 sells for $323.99.
    The link to the Klevv Urbane 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2666 memory is $479.99.
    Why the price difference? I have no idea.
    I've never heard of Klevv memory.

    I have several old Gigabyte motherboards but Gigabyte would not be near the top of my list if I were building a new system.

    The latest 2011-v3 motherboards look like they're nice but I think that for most gamers a higher end Haswell or Skylake system offers excellent performance at a more reasonable price.

    From what I've seen the EVGA Classified motherboards are excellent.
    I like the fact that if needed, you can call EVGA tech support using a toll-free 800 number and that their command of the English language is excellent.

    You should buy a higher end, $100+ all in one cpu water cooling kit for your overclocked cpu.
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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    Man I'm having a hell of a time finding (listed as compatible) RAM that is not 'out of stock' and that isn't the slower variety (1600). It's the last thing keeping me from clicking 'check out'

    Will I notice much of a performance difference in the 1600 and the 2666?

    What if the RAM is slower but I use less of it.... 16GB vs 32GB? Another way to ask is "if I have more RAM, should it be faster?"

    All the RAM I would like to buy and is compatible is 'out of stock' at the egg

    ....<continues to search>.......

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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    A larger amount of memory will be faster if/when your lower amount of memory requires the use of the windows page pool (pagefile.sys), even if the page pool is on an ssd. It appears that 2400MHz memory is the sweet spot between price and performance. 2133MHz would probably be OK, but lower speed memory would probably have a negative impact on performance. Keep in mind that all memory can be overclocked, but when you start at a lower base speed you're final overclocked speed will be lower.

    With a system as strong as your new one will be I think that 1600MHz or 1866MHz overall performance will be noticeably lower and that 8GB of memory will borderline when running demanding applications such as high-end image editing, music or video encoding, and possibly in some games.

    A web search using: haswell default memory speed provides several useful links on the first page.
    Another searche that might help: haswell gaming memory recommended amount OR speed

    The maximum amount of memory for your EVGA Classified motherboard is 32GB.
    If I were building a system like yours I would start with 2 x 8GB but I'd prefer to use 4 x 8GB sooner rather than later.

    One approach that might work best is to start with 2 x 4GB of the least expensive name brand memory and hope that you can buy your desired memory size and speed shortly after Christmas when there might be some even better sale prices. The only problem with this approach is that when you later sell the 2 x 4GB memory kit, it will probably only be compatible with some other Haswell systems, but it might be a great buy for an HTPC Haswell system.

    Loyalty to a trusted vendor is commendable, but if I were in your shoes and I found the memory that I wanted at a good price from a different dependable vendor I would buy it from the other vendor. Over the past nine years I've probably bought 97% (or more) of my computer stuff from Newegg.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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