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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    Thanks for pointing me in the right direction with some ideas. I'm going to check out those searches and report back. Thanks! bbs

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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    By the way, after a great deal of compromise one of the better kits I've found...... that I can tick most checkmarks ... was this one

    G.SKILL TridentX Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2666 (PC3 21300) Desktop Memory Model F3-2666C11Q-16GTXD - Newegg.com

    I know choosing 4x4 is going to lock out the upgrade options ...... and that x4 4 generally isn't as good as x2 8 - memory controller issues.

    I still haven't clicked submit yet though. And RAM is why. bbs

    One last thing. I've noticed the RAM compatibility charts differ from ..... say EVGA to Corsair to Gskill. One will say their stuff works with EVGA but EVGA doesn't say their stuff works with theirs. As long as SOMEONE says it works will I be ok? Or would you adhere to the EVGA chart first and foremost
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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    Yes as long as a memory kit is listed in one of the compatibility lists you are good to go.
    I consider both memory compatibility lists to be 100% valid.
    I really, really doubt that the best selling memory brands would be as successful as they are if their memory compatibility lists were not accurate.

    The memory manufacturer has a hidden reason to be honest about their lists because they don't want to deal with RMA's and dissatisfied customers. The same applies to the motherboard manufacturers as they don't want customers complaining that they lied about the compatibility lists. The memory manufacturers have a big incentive to provide a list that includes as many kits as possible; they want to sell as much memory as possible. The motherboard manufacturers don't have the time or the resources to provide a comprehensive memory list; all they need to do is provide a "marginally good enough" list.

    Did you see that you can optionally remove the top spreader fins?

    Buying a 4 x 4GB kit doesn't lock you out of a future memory upgrade, it just means that you will need to sell your 4 x 4GB after you've bought a 2 x 8GB or 4 x 8GB kit.

    I'm sure that EVGA's motherboard sales volume is pitifully small compared to ASUS, ASRock, Gigabyte and MSI. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that on a percentage basis, the average EVGA motherboard buyer is more tech savvy than the average big 4 motherboard buyers.

    I'm not convinced that anyone can make a blanket statement that 4 x 4GB is better or worse than a 2 x 2GB setup for all Intel generations of processors and/or chipsets. I would tend to believe a site like AnandTech, but they've made a few overclocking statements over the years that really pissed off quite few "knowledgeable" readers.

    It's you decision, you can wait a bit or you can bite the bullet and buy a kit, after all, it's only your time and money.

    An unimportant side note, the F3-2666C11Q-16GTXD kit is also compatible with a few ASRock, Asus and Gigabyte Z77 motherboard models and also some Z87 models.
    And the included memory cooling fan is pretty cool (pun intended).
    BTW, I hope you have fond memories in the future about your memory buying decision.
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    I decided to go with the 2x8 of 'nearly' the same model RAM you posted. It's 2666. I'm more of a fan of the Dominator heat spreaders than the Trident. (no pun intended) GSkill had it listed as supported for the X97Classy.

    G.SKILL TridentX Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2666 (PC3 21300) Desktop Memory Model F3-2666C12D-16GTXD - Newegg.com

    Yes I did see you can slide off the red fins at the top at the costs of some cooling. Not sure if I'll do that or not. I might even like how they look -installed. I think they come with the fan too so they might not even be visible.

    I also changed the case from what I posted. I decided to go with the Corsair 750D.

    Corsair Obsidian 750D Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Newegg.com

    It's a little cheaper and not as flimsy.

    I wonder if I'll miss having a ps/2 port. hmm

    Only 40 in rebates. This time I'll actually redeem. I always seem to forget about those once I get the stuff lol. Anyhow, it's not like I was trying to cut costs at each crossroad. Granted I'm not looking to just throw money away - who is..... but the goal was to upgrade to a system that is at least going to last a few years.

    Now the the base system is set, I'll look into a monitor and maybe even a different video card if necc. There are some really nice ones out there. Have you seen the predator yet?

    Acer Predator X34 Curved IPS NVIDIA G-sync Gaming Monitor 21:9 WQHD Display with Built-in Overclocking 100Hz Refresh Rate Boost

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-869-_-Product

    Why must the good toys cost so dang much. Hopefully the prices continue to come down in time. Maybe if I wait till after Xmas......... I'm not that in touch with the market though. Obviously this predator isn't money well spent. I'm not saying I won't spring for it, ..... there's a 10% chance I'll be stupid and do it. I'd really like to go gsync for sure....... ultra wide looks so sweet........ and 1440 is a must (for me)

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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    The F3-2666C12D-16GTXD 2 x 8GB memory is compatible with your Z97 Classified motherboard and I think that the 2 x 8GB setup is the best way to go.

    The Acer Predator monitor had some quality control problems with the earliest batch but it looks like they are doing much better with more recent monitors. The Asus Rog Swift monitor also had quality control issues with their early monitors but I think that this is no longer a problem. Asus should be coming out with a similar monitor sometime early next year. With my 2560 x 1440 monitor the background "glow" is much lower when it is at least 32 inches from my eyes. With a 34 inch wide curved monitor I think that you will want the monitor a bit further away from your normal viewing position.

    If you really want or need the best gaming monitor available right now, spending $1300 for a monitor is not stupid. Hopefully your single GTX 980 will let you use the highest in game quality settings when your cpu and video card are overclocked. If you bought two less expensive 2560 x 1400 g-sync monitors you would probably need to buy a second GTX 980 video card for an SLI setup.

    For overclocking help your best bet is to check the EVGA forums and dedicated Z97 Classified threads.
    A search using: evga z97 classified overclock thread provides useful links, including EVGA z97 Classified Club.

    Good luck with your new build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    The F3-2666C12D-16GTXD 2 x 8GB memory is compatible with your Z97 Classified motherboard and I think that the 2 x 8GB setup is the best way to go.

    The Acer Predator monitor had some quality control problems with the earliest batch but it looks like they are doing much better with more recent monitors. The Asus Rog Swift monitor also had quality control issues with their early monitors but I think that this is no longer a problem. Asus should be coming out with a similar monitor sometime early next year. With my 2560 x 1440 monitor the background "glow" is much lower when it is at least 32 inches from my eyes. With a 34 inch wide curved monitor I think that you will want the monitor a bit further away from your normal viewing position.

    If you really want or need the best gaming monitor available right now, spending $1300 for a monitor is not stupid. Hopefully your single GTX 980 will let you use the highest in game quality settings when your cpu and video card are overclocked. If you bought two less expensive 2560 x 1400 g-sync monitors you would probably need to buy a second GTX 980 video card for an SLI setup.

    For overclocking help your best bet is to check the EVGA forums and dedicated Z97 Classified threads.
    A search using: evga z97 classified overclock thread provides useful links, including EVGA z97 Classified Club.

    Good luck with your new build.

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    Hey Jim

    What is the marvell SW Raid Sata III/6G Ports for? I understand a certain tier of Marvell sata is 'lesser' than the Intel sata. Can you enlighten me as to why this is included on this mobo?

    Thanks!

    PS saw a little bit here - but not much
    EVGA Z97 Classified Motherboard Review - Overclockers

    Should I connect my HD or my SSD to the Marvell port? Or is that for RAID or something
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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    Take a look at the z97 block diagram and you'll see that the z97 chipset supports six native Intel sata/e-sata 6Gb/s ports.
    Motherboard manufacturers often want their boards to support eight or more sata ports so they often use onboard Marvel controllers to provide the additional sata ports.
    From the review that you linked to:
    Along the board’s right side, there is a front panel USB 3.0 header with eight SATA 6 Gb/s ports. The lower six SATA ports are native to the Z97 PCH, while the top two are provided by the Marvell 88E9182 controller.
    I think that 88E9128 is a typo and that the correct model name is 88SE9182.
    Do a web search using: marvell sata controller problems but keep in mind many of the links will refer to older Marvell controllers.

    I only connect optical drives to non-Intel sata ports.
    It's possible that newer Marvel controllers might be more stable but I'm pretty sure that the native Intel sata ports still offer better stability and performance.

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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    From EVGA Z97 Classified Motherboard Review | Integrated Device Testing:

    EVGA Z97 Classified Motherboard Review

    ATTO Disk Benchmark

    To validate that the board’s device ports were functioning correctly, we connected
    an OCZ Vertex 3 90GB SATA III SSD to the system and ran the ATTO Disk Benchmark
    against the drive. The SSD was directly connected to the native SATA 3 ports. mSATA
    port testing was performed using an mSATA to SATA III device adapter mSATA card.
    ATTO was configured to test against transfer sizes from 0.5 to 8192 KB with Total Length
    set to 512 MB and Queue Depth set to 10. The SSD selected for testing has a maximum
    read throughput of 550 MB/s and a write throughput of 500 MB/s on a SATA III controller.
    The drive tests were repeated three times with the highest repeatable read and write
    speeds recorded.



    The SSD performance on the Intel controller pushed the rated limits of the SSD
    drive, while the Marvell controller performance was considerably lower. The SSD
    on either port of the Marvell controller performed similarly, but performance was
    about half or more of what it should have been.

    ***edit***

    From the first page in the PCPER review:
    Storage I/O
    8 x Serial ATA 600MB/sec (8 Internal) with support for RAID 0 and RAID1
    6 / Z97 PCH
    2 / Marvell 9220


    ***edit-2***

    I'm going to quit while I'm behind....
    From the Z97 Classified motherboard user manual, dated April 2014:
    SATA Ports
    Intel Z97 PCH Controller
    6x SATA 3/6G (600 MB/s) data transfer rate
    - Support for RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 0+1, RAID 5, AND RAID 10
    - Supports hot plug
    2x SATA3/6G Marvell 88E9182
    Last edited by profJim; 12-17-2015 at 05:10 PM. Reason: Marvell information
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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    The Asmedia sata controller also has inferior performance.

    From: ASUS X99-E WS/USB 3.1 Motherboard Review | Integrated Device Testing

    cpu: Intel Core i7-5960X
    motherboard: ASUS X99-E WS/USB 3.1 ($539.99)
    memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 modules (2133MHz, 15-17-17-35-1T, 1.225V)

    ATTO Disk Benchmark

    To validate that the board’s device ports were functioning correctly, we connected
    an OCZ Vertex 460 240GB SATA III SSD to the system and ran the ATTO Disk
    Benchmark against the drive. The SSD was directly connected to the native SATA 3
    ports, the SATA-Express device ports, the USB 3.0 ports, and USB 3.1 Gen2 ports.
    NGFF port testing was performed using an M.2 based Plextor PCIe M.2 2280 128GB
    SSD. The M.2 device was tested using the board's integrated M.2 slot. USB port
    testing performed using the SSD in a USB 3.1 Gen 2 compatible enclosure. ATTO
    was configured to test against transfer sizes from 0.5 to 8192 KB with Total Length
    set to 512 MB and Queue Depth set to 10. The M.2 SSD selected for testing has a
    maximum read throughput of 770 MB/s and a write throughput of 335 MB/s over a
    PCI-Express x2 bus. The selected SSD has a maximum read throughput of 540 MB/s
    and a write throughput of 525 MB/s on a SATA III controller. The drive tests were
    repeated three times with the highest repeatable read and write speeds recorded.



    On the Intel X99 controller, all SSD's performed as expected with no performance
    difference seen when using the standalone and SATA Express SATA ports. However,
    performance suffered quite a bit when the SATA drive was directly connected
    to the ASMedia controlled SATA-Express ports. In the case of the ASMedia SATA
    ports, drive performance fell below that of the USB 3.0 / 3.1 ports.
    The M.2 drive
    was the overall performance king, again as expected, with its performance pushing the
    device's rated limits. With the USB port tests, the devices performed within expections
    (sic) on the USB 3.0 ports with the USB 3.1 performance results matching or exceeding
    those of the USB 3.0 ports. The drive read performance on the USB 3.1 port was lower
    than expected, but can be attributed to oddities with the enclosure rather than port-
    related issues.


    note: My preference is to use Anvil's Storage Utilities benchmark, but the ATTO benchmark is still useful.
    If you use a raid 0 setup for your O/S drive, the ATTO score should be right around the 1,000 MB/s mark for reads and writes.
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    Default Re: This all look compatible to you guys?

    WOW that M.2 on the Asus is burning the road up.

    Thanks for the Marvell data

    The M.2 doesn't look too great on the Classy does it. How would you use the m.2? How would you recommend I use it? Is it just thrown on there or is it something that can be put to good use?

    -------------------

    I got the computer put together. I should take a pic for ya. It all come up on the first try. Just playing around I went and bumped my CPU to see if it'd OC at all and it didn't like when I jumped from 40 to 48. But I'd already enabled RAM xmp profile ...... so I went back and manually throttled the RAM sticks back to like.. 1600 maybe. 1633 ..... Retried to at 48 and she booted. So I opened up Fallout 4 and it failed.

    With some tweaking it feels like I can probably get 4.8.(maybe even more) But I really haven't started that whole process yet. All of what I described above took like 5m.

    At one point after I pushed the cpu to 4.8 the mobo wouldn't boot up. I had to use the little 3 way switch on the mobo to change bios. And it booted up with stock settings. Pretty cool

    This is my first SSD and I really love the OS on it. Fallout 4 is on it too. With stock PC settings, Fallout 4 runs on ultra with no issues. Of course I'm not pushing it having such a crappy monitor. Maybe with a 1440 monitor, things start tougher for it. I'm really looking forward to enjoying a new monitor. I've decided the investment I already put into the chassis just isn't worth it unless I pair it with a suitable monitor. It'll cost - but it's really the 'pay off' to all of this isn't it?

    I'm very happy with the system so far - but for it to really pop - I'm gonna need a 1440 monitor or better.

    I'm cooling with air - my old cpu heatsink. It's the coolermaster evo - simple but solid. I recently saw the silver arrow cpu cooler and really dig it. I'd probably use one fan in the center to show off all the chrome. (unless of course performance demands the 2nd fan.) Also recently saw that predator AIO cooler which I REALLY love - except the price is like 250. It's a nice one though.

    BRB - gonna see if I can get a pic

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