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Thread: XP Hacking...so what!!!




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    Using something without paying for it is stealing.

    The fact that Microsoft is a large wealthy corporation makes us feel easier about than, say, stealing our neighbour's car.

    However the principle is the same.

    It may be human nature to take what we can get, and I'm no saint either, but I have been saying this for a long time now on various forums:

    IT WILL COME BACK TO BITE US

    That's not a moral judgement by the way. What I mean is that the more we - the 'computer enthusiasts' - continue to find ways of using something without paying for it, the bigger the incentive we give to companies to develop 'uncrackable' software and get back the money they put into developing the product. Slowly but surely we'll lose all our freedoms with technology, and perhaps with good reason.

    When that does happen, I'm sure we'll hear a lot of complaints but the truth is our own lack of restraint was the cause. Do we really need to pirate EVERY piece of software on our system including the OS?

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    It does come back and bite ya.. Why don't people buy Win XP instead of copying it? due to the price. Why's it so expensive? because for the amount of copies they sell, there's probably twice as many people using illegitimate copies. So they have to bump up the price to recoup costs.. it's a vicious cycle..

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    Saidin,

    You work for M$ or you are basically one of the 'shareholder'.

    True, Bill doesn't need the $$ cos he would probably be busy hugging buxom babes or playing golf. no matter wat his lifestyle, $$ is readily generated for him without him being worried.

    The ppl that need the $$ are the PICs or so called 'Shareholders'. These are basically the ppl that make life difficult for ppl like us. How many of you buy shares not for the motive of profit.

    Now, even the life of the legal owners of M$ pdt are being ridicule for the activation crappy thing. I m a legal owner of an XP Home upgrade, after i used up the activation process, i resorted to calling M$ for a new pdt key. There, i was treated like a pirated user. To prove myself as a legal owner, i need to register my OS and i even hv to bring my box and receipt down to M$ office for proof of purchase. Well, this happened in my country. so WTF is all this.

    Nobody will be stupid enough to steal a Subaru even if he desparately wanted it. pls compare things logically. Here, how many ppl in the world used friendly versions of M$ pdts. So how many of them can M$ prosecute and put them behind bars.

    How can we not use M$. Do we hv options. After been sued for monopolised trade, M$ is still widely being used by every living beings that use computer. it's become like indispensable and we are being poison with the drugs. when the needs or craving arouse, can we substitute the consuming with say viagra.

    There are no rooms for the likes of Red Hat, Sun etc to grow. How many of us can comfortably say we will adopt Red Hat and give up M$ totally.

    we are not stealing it, we are just borrowing it for evaluation. Hoping one day M$ can convinces us to adopt them wholeheartedly.

    i hv say my stand and hv nothing more to add on here even if being heavily ridiculed here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNDEX
    I m a legal owner of an XP Home upgrade, after i used up the activation process, i resorted to calling M$ for a new pdt key. There, i was treated like a pirated user. To prove myself as a legal owner, i need to register my OS and i even hv to bring my box and receipt down to M$ office for proof of purchase. Well, this happened in my country. so WTF is all this.
    This is the result of pirates. Because piracy is getting out of hand, the legitimate users are finding it harder and more expensive to use the software.

    Bottom line is if you don't like "Bill" or MS, don't use their software. That's the best protest. Using it and not paying for it is neither brave nor smart.

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    In reponse to iNDEX:
    Nobody will be stupid enough to steal a Subaru even if he desparately wanted it. pls compare things logically. Here, how many ppl in the world used friendly versions of M$ pdts. So how many of them can M$ prosecute and put them behind bars.

    See you are missing the point. It is the SAME thing. Stealing is stealing! What you are trying to do, and what everybody does, is they try to convince themselves what they are doing it okay. I am saying it is not okay. No I do not work for MS and no I do not own MS stock. I am just taking a correct position on this. Just b/c they are not prosecuiting does not mean that they cannot! I laugh everytime I read someone trying to convince me of their justification to stealing.

    There are no rooms for the likes of Red Hat, Sun etc to grow. How many of us can comfortably say we will adopt Red Hat and give up M$ totally.
    What are you talking about. Are you blind, Red hat has grown into a pretty substantial corporation. No it is not big as microsoft. But it is getting pretty big, and why? Cause there product is getting better and so is their business model. :thumb: So, there is room to grow...even with Microsoft at the top!


    we are not stealing it, we are just borrowing it for evaluation. Hoping one day M$ can convinces us to adopt them wholeheartedly.
    No, you are not borrowing. You are stealing. I doubt you are going to uninstall the O/S untill you can get a new free pirated copy of the newest version and install that. This is not borrowing. Stealing.


    PersianImmortal:
    Bottom line is if you don't like "Bill" or MS, don't use their software. That's the best protest. Using it and not paying for it is neither brave nor smart.
    So true. One of my points I am trying to make. You want to hurt MS, then do not buy there products and USE other companies products. B/c even if you do not buy Windows, but still use it...they are making money somewhere down the road b/c of you.

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    all very good points, but I still say xp is overpriced. True, it costs alot to develope an os. But most of xp is just a hybrid of work already done in 98 and nt. While I'm at it, isn't most of windows stolen anyway? Didn't the idea of a window you can drag to originally belong to Steve Jobs?
    Now we all know that a blank cd cost around $.12.
    so why is it $199.00 for an xp pro upgrade? isn't it like $299.00 for a full new install on a fresh hd?
    Surely the profit margin here is outragous. How about a more reasonable $50.00? hmmmmm? Surely more people will cough that up rather than steal?
    Just thought I'd stir the pot some more.

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    i will break my silence.

    Quote Originally Posted by saidin
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    See you are missing the point. It is the SAME thing. Stealing is stealing! What you are trying to do, and what everybody does, is they try to convince themselves what they are doing it okay. I am saying it is not okay. No I do not work for MS and no I do not own MS stock. I am just taking a correct position on this. Just b/c they are not prosecuiting does not mean that they cannot! I laugh everytime I read someone trying to convince me of their justification to stealing.
    Yes , they are all stealing. My pt is do compare things logically. ppl steal from microsoft, it's illegal. but read the subject. who cares, what the heck. i didn't say they will not or cannot prosecute, but how many can they prosecute in the entire world. nobody is trying to convince who. i m a legal owners of various M$ pdts. why i use them? coz they damn fooking good to give a miss. it's their policy that make ppl pissed. it's now left to ppl who can convince me not to use fake pdt key etcc.....

    What are you talking about. Are you blind, Red hat has grown into a pretty substantial corporation. No it is not big as microsoft. But it is getting pretty big, and why? Cause there product is getting better and so is their business model. :thumb: So, there is room to grow...even with Microsoft at the top!
    No i m not blind. Did you mentioned corporation. I see you are awared of RH marketing strategy. RH pdts for businesses are no doubt big and growing. why corporates are switching to RH coz they are also being squeeze by M$ to the extreme, and RH has good pdts too. But hey, we are not corporates, juz mere home users. we play games, surf the net and use many other programs written for M$. RH, they are really good, i will definitely adopt them soon.

    No, you are not borrowing. You are stealing. I doubt you are going to uninstall the O/S untill you can get a new free pirated copy of the newest version and install that. This is not borrowing. Stealing.
    You are right, again, who cares. what the heck. dude.

    i will myself first for illegal usage and if happened i do offended anyone.

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    Lots of interesting thoughts in this discussion. A question for someone to answer. Which came first the program that was expensive and pirated because of the excessive cost or the expensive programs due to pirates reducing sales. I beleive the cost of programs is to high at the beginning, this leads to pirates etc. I buy programs I can afford and freeware - the good programs i don't get because they are too dear. I agree stealing is stealing and morals are fine if you can afford them or manage without them. BRING COSTS OF SOFTWARE DOWN AND THE PIRATES WILL DECREASE.

    Spit the bones out of this - enjoy.

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    So, who here expects anyone to change as a result of this discussion?

    What I see here are two dominant factors: Those who steal/pirate/hack, and those who don't. We can jump up and down until we're blue in the face and nothing will change that simple fact. I will not blast anyone, or justify anything.

    I am not a saint. I will not proclaim to be one. We all walk one line or another. Perhaps one of these days I will get brave enough to jump into Linux or the like and truely try to learn how things work. One of these days. Right now I have too many other things to do than devote my time to that.

    Microsoft is expensive, Photoshop is expensive, Flash is expensive. Everything costs money to one person or another, no matter how it comes about. Get a job if you don't have one. Save up money if you don't have it. Or don't.. it's not my battle to fight.

    I have more important things to do. Just my two cents.
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    The old "you get what you pay for" sayin' applies.
    I pay and it works. :thumb:
    If I didn't pay and it didn't work I'd keep quiet, format the HDD and reinstall the original and be happy till someone works it out proper. :smokin:

    Taking up Lycoris (or another Linux distro and many can be obtained for free) maybe something some of you should think about if your not prepared to pay the devil. ;)
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