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    Has anyone tried Windows update after installing SP1 over Devils Own version of XP.I read that MS would now monitor there database of legitimate Ser NO & disable any machine that logged on that was running a Ser NO that was not in there database.:devil:

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    Where did you read that?

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    Go here http://www.windowsxp.nu/oldnews.htm
    The origional artical starts about half waw thru this
    page.

    :cheers:

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    Sorry look for this (Windows XP and Service Pack 1: Why The XP Keygen Won’t Help… For Long J) halfway down page

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    Read this

    Windows XP and Service Pack 1:

    Why The XP Keygen Won’t Help… For Long J





    Ok, all this f@#%ing hullaballu and whining is getting on my fr@#%in’ nerves. Let’s get to the gist of the matter.



    Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom and infinite pockets, keeps track of every single stinkin’ Product Key, Product ID, Product Code, CD Key, Licensing Key, Volume Licensing Key, etc ad nauseum. What does this mean to YOU? It means that, for the time being, if you have used the popular “XP Key Recoverer and Discoverer 5.12” that’s out floating around on the Internet to generate a CD Key to activate/register your copy of XP (Home, Pro or Corp) you’ll be SOL (read: **** Outta Luck) in a short period of time. “But why oh why?” you ask. Read on and you’ll hopefully understand.



    For the purposes of this discussion I’ll stick to calling anything related to a “product registration code/key code/activation code” a “key” to make it simple. Got that?



    Ok, since Microsoft has a complete database of every key ever made for all of their products, this time around with Windows XP it’s become even more of a chore for them (and a stick in their asses) since the whole basis of “Product Activation” centers itself around the key used to ‘activate’ Windows XP. When you purchase a retail copy of Windows XP, whether it’s the Home Edition or the Professional Edition, on the CD case someplace you’ll find a yellow sticker with a 25-digit string of alphanumeric digits known as the aforementioned ‘key’. They look something like this (and NO NO NO this is not a real key, just something for example):



    Y34HR-1GHTU-W15HU-D4MND-L4M3R



    (hint: If you read that key in ‘l33t’ you’ll get a super-secret message) J



    Anyway, the key is 5 sets of 5 alphanumeric digits. The key itself follows a specific set of rules that can be found here at this page: Fully Licensed XP Product Activation FAQ.



    Just to be brief, here is the important aspect of this information:



    “The Raw Product Key is buried inside the Product Key that is printed
    on the sticker distributed with each Windows XP CD. It consists of
    five alphanumeric strings separated by '-' characters, where each
    string is composed of five characters, as in

    FFFFF-GGGGG-HHHHH-JJJJJ-KKKKK

    Each character is one of the following 24 letters and digits:

    B C D F G H J K M P Q R T V W X Y 2 3 4 6 7 8 9”




    So what does all this mean? Nothing much really, just wanted to give you a short primer on XP keys, now on to the important stuff.



    We’ve established that Microsoft has a record of all the keys THEY have made (every yellow sticker included with every CD whether it’s a retail product or an OEM release, remember this), does it sound like it would be all that hard for them to check the validity of the keys? It does? Why? You think it’s all that difficult for MasterCard, Visa, American Express, Discover, Diner’s Club, etc. to keep track of the literally millions and millions of credit card accounts open at any given time? Nah, it’s a piece of cake. Microsoft is just doing the same thing.



    Microsoft maintains a database of XP keys that is fairly simple to link into the Windows Update service used for updating XP with current software/bug fixes/hotfixes/etc. When you go to Windows Update looking for something a small exchange of data between your PC and the Microsoft servers is quite enough for them (‘them’ being Microsoft) to verify the existence of a valid key for Windows XP. What do I mean by ‘valid key’? I mean one that Microsoft itself generated and printed a yellow sticker for.



    Got it yet?



    This isn’t rocket science people. Let me explain.



    Microsoft owns the operating system. You don’t. Even though you paid for a product, what you’re actually getting is the ‘right to use the product’, not ‘the product itself’. Welcome to the wonderful world of software licensing. Microsoft is merely taking the steps necessary to “protect its interests as far as software piracy is concerned.” Microsoft, by verifying the validity of a key by using Windows Update for this very function, is not breaking any laws by doing so. If you think they are, you need to read the EULA (End-User Licensing Agreement) that came with Windows XP (recently updated to cover aspects of SP1). It’s not really that easy to get to once the operating system is installed, and if you’ve missed it already it’s not relevant at this point.



    Here’s a new page I just discovered that, in essence, says what I’m about to say but it’s more technical than what I’m about to say: Volume Licensing Keys and SP1 - What REALLY Happens. As noted on that page, there are well over a BILLION keys in the database, all of them recorded and valid. (NOTE: Yes, this Microsoft page is geared towards the Volume Licensing Keys (VLKs), aka Corporate Keys, but the information on the page is valid nonetheless and applies to all editions – Home, Pro and Corporate.)



    So what do I want to say? Just this: It doesn’t matter how many keys you make with the keygen. You can make BILLIONS for all I care. It’s just not going to matter in the end because Microsoft, by using Windows Update, will verify YOUR key against THEIRS. If YOUR key isn’t on THEIR list you lose. It’s really that simple. Generate all the damned Home, Pro and Corp VLKs you like, it’s not going to make one iota of difference. Your freshly generated keys might work for a short period of time, and bypassing or choosing not to use Windows Update at all will save you from a frozen PC for however long you choose to walk this path. BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE – sooner or later you’re going to get stuck.



    My advice: Save some cash and buy the damned software. I personally own one Retail Home Edition copy, one Retail Profession Edition copy, one Corp <cough> <cough> Edition – commonly referred to as ‘The Devil’s Own’ warez release – and 3 Not-For-Resale copies I got from Microsoft directly, so I’m covered. J

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    Ya know Sparky he's probably right...

    Eventually we all get stuck for some reason...

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    LOL, the guy who wrote that is paul a.k.a br0adband from #winxp who hangs out for almost 10 years :hammer: hint2: "no life"
    He's a paranoid dude.. who cares with his opinion.
    just like his bot says :

    [13:16] <br0adband> ?? opinions
    [13:16] -BangBang:#winxp- opinions == Opinions are like *******s, everyone’s got one, and most of the time they should be kept to themselves!

    this is the statement that i find interesting though

    "But the kicker to this is that there were thousands upon thousands of people already running the final code of Windows XP: they were already using the Devil’s Own Corporate Edition that was leaked out by someone (Devil’s Own == Microsoft, haven’t you people figured this out yet?). "

    go figure!

    keep it to yourself :thumbs do

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    Thats funny!!

    :laugh:

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    yeah, i have read this guy's "m$ is matching you" before. i feel sorry for him. next time he will say the bluelist=m$ (the dreaded blue screen if you know what i mean)....

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    On other hand use of Win XP serial number generator defeats all purpose of microsoft product activation and may even bring end to it alltogether. We all know that serial number generator generates valid XP serial numbers. With large number of users (like us) downloaded serial number generator there will be crossing between actual MS serial numbers and generated serial numbers. Now people are buying MS products with MS supplied legit SN might have that number already activated and used!

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